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Okay, so we've figured it out.

The original Stargate movie was like TOS Star Trek, really good, had it's flaws, a little cheesy, and there's not as much there as people remember. But a great universe that is great to play in.

Then came SG-1, which was Next Generation. Younger actors, a little more hip, a lot more allegory, and really made the franchise the beloved juggernaut that it is. It has the most seasons, and the bulk of the best remembered moments. People argue if Kurt Russell or RDA is the best O'Neill, and nobody will believe that they're just different.

Then there was Atlantis, which is DS9. A specific off-world base as the home area, a galactic civil war that threatens our race, and while there's diplomacy it's a bit more hard edged. While it has a lot of great moments, and some really fabulous characters, it never quite catches on and there's some weird missteps along the way (this comparison is harder for me because I never watched DS9, but I can see the similarities). A couple characters cross over from SG-1 to Atlantis (Instead of Worf and O'Brian we have McKay and Carter).

We also have Ark of Truth, Continuum, and other planned movie projects to compare to the films.

Now they've announced Stargate Universe and it's Voyager. They're stuck on a ship and they don't think they're ever going to get home, and since it's "exploring the origins of the gates" it's definitely going to take the given mythos and continuity and just chuck it right out the window and muddle it all up and make it confusing. Plus, they're going to make it more aimed at a younger generation, so a watered down version of what came before.

So! Right now I predict that when Universe gets canceled about 4 years into it's run, they'll announce a new show that's set in the 1930's or the 1950's about the origins of the Stargate program. It'll really throw everything on it's head because nobody will really understand how it could fit in with what was revealed on SG-1 or how any of it actually works out, but the show will slowly get better until in it's third season it'll really be fantastic and start building a strong fanbase like the show hasn't seen since Richard Dean Anderson left, at which point it will be abrubtly canceled, making everyone mourn that it's the first time in decades that there hasn't been some form of Stargate on the air.

Then they'll announce that a hot new director-producer is going back to the beginning and redoing the origin story of the first movie with all new actors, most of which people will bitch are nothing like Kurt Russell and James Spader, and make the whole universe a little darker and grittier while revisiting where it came from originally. The first teaser trailer will just be a close up of a chevron. ; )



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Aug. 24th, 2008 06:18 pm (UTC)
Sounds about the gist of it to me. :D
Aug. 24th, 2008 08:13 pm (UTC)
LMAO. Hit the nail on the HEAD M. Hit the nail on the freakin' head! I've seen the similarities too but you put them here just perfectly. I got lemonade up my nose. :P

And do people still get the two O'Neil(l)'s mixed up? Its a little RETCON but Jack says flat out doesn't he that there's another O'Neil with one L ... and he's not nearly as much fun. ;) *shakes head* That never confused me. What always confused me was why Kawalsky showed up in the show looking like Ferretti *boggly eyes*

Still haven't figured that one out ..........
Aug. 24th, 2008 08:35 pm (UTC)
lolz. *loves on you*
Aug. 25th, 2008 03:07 am (UTC)
Aug. 25th, 2008 07:08 am (UTC)
Yeah, but Star Trek had an embarrassingly-bad cartoon spun off from the original series and...OH MY GOD!

This is brilliant. May I metaquotes you?
Aug. 25th, 2008 06:05 pm (UTC)
Sure : ) Would you like me to unlock it too? (I'm mostly friends only because it's easier than deciding what to lock and what not to)
Aug. 26th, 2008 02:00 am (UTC)
Whatever works for you! It is, after all, your journal, thus necessitating why I thought asking permission was a good idea first.

Oh, and here 'tis!
Aug. 25th, 2008 09:05 pm (UTC)
Aug. 28th, 2008 08:57 pm (UTC)
Well, I won't be watching Stargate Universe
I am a major fan of the SG-1 series. Well, of the first five years or so.

As far as I'm concerned, Stargate Iteration has sucked progressively harder the more it creeps closer to being Star Trek. SG-1 was so much fun because it wasn't Star Trek. The humans had one--count it, one--ultra-tech maguffin. The gate itself. Otherwise, they were contemporary US military types exploring the galaxy with contemporary weapons.

Nobody had done that before, or not much. Right off the bat that meant that they couldn't steal a lot of the most notorious Star Trek memes. No space battles, no warping in and warping out, no transporters, no "Shields are down to 20 percent!" technobabble.*

Even though Goa'uld had starships, they preferred stargates. As O'Neill said in the pilot, they couldn't just rebury the gate now that they had Apophis's attention because "they can still get here the old-fashioned way." But it took Apophis an entire season to get there. Space travel was still slow and cumbersome.

Then they built the Prometheus. And the Daedalus. Now they can fly from the Milky Way to Pegasus in a couple of weeks. The stargates are...convenient, but they're not necessary. NOW we can have episodes that are JUST LIKE STAR TREK. We can beam up, beam down, have space battles at point blank range and announced the way our shields are abrading away. We can warp in, warp out, ad nauseum. The stargate itself became an afterthought. Entire episodes had nothing whatsoever to do with it.

Gah. So, no, no Stargate Universe for me, thanks.

*Which is not to say that Stargate doesn't have its own brand of technobabble. It does. But at least it wasn't ripped off from Trek.
Aug. 28th, 2008 09:46 pm (UTC)
Because of the Metaquotes posting, you've just been linked to by Star Trek novelist Diane Duane.

Take another 50 cool points out of petty cash.
Aug. 29th, 2008 12:00 pm (UTC)
I linked in from Diane Duane's LJ. This is the perfect comparison which I defintiely failed to see.

Thanx for the wonderful insight and humor...
Aug. 29th, 2008 08:44 pm (UTC)
Please don't compare DS9 to Atlantis. DS9 did live in the shadow of the widely loved TNG and then later the "Look Ma, Network!" Voyager, but I think anyone who really loves Trek will tell you it is hands down the best of the TV series. Atlantis has some occasional high points, but severe structural flaws and the writing has never seemed as crisp as SG1.
Aug. 30th, 2008 09:35 pm (UTC)
Save for the original film being the most cliche-ridden, unoriginal, full-of-plot-holes-as-big-as-a-zeppelin piece if trite I've seen in quite a while, I pretty much agree.
Sep. 7th, 2008 01:07 pm (UTC)
You really nailed this on the head. I like both both Stargate and Star Trek universes but I still can't fathom why TPTB can't just let the good shows just run their course. Why they feel the need to keep spinning off new ones that are crap. The reason a show end should be, the story was done being told, they reached their goal or the ratings were crap. Maybe even, they ran out of stories to tell. If a show is popular they should find the money to keep it going. I have nothing against spin-offs, just as long as it is a good idea, not just a cost cutting method. While I hope Stargate Universe is good, and I know my family and I will give it a go, I don't hold out any real hope for it.
Dec. 27th, 2008 06:53 pm (UTC)
FYI - I still love this.
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